the data that was falsified was the data that showed no relationship between sleep apnea and being overweight. Just sayin
Question asked by fitslife
Really? According to who?
The NIH said:
Changed/falsified roughly half of the physiologic data
Fabricated roughly 20% of the anatomic data that were supposedly obtained from Computed Tomography (CT) images
Changed/falsified 50 to 80 percent of the other anatomic data
Changed/falsified roughly 40 to 50 percent of the sleep data so that those data would better conform to his hypothesis.
Their hypothesis was: “that specific anatomic and physiologic properties of the airway interact with obesity to predispose to the development of airway collapse during sleep.”
hypothesis =/= conclusion. Basing your "findings " on ONE study that was falsified is stupid. A simple google search will find plenty of scholarly articles that have a statistically significant link from obesity to sleep apnea, and a host of other problems. Fat acceptance is great and everyone should love their bodies, however advocating for something that is clearly causing issues is not a good thing. The amount of problems I have being overweight are crazy compared to when I am healthy.
Question asked by fitslife
Ah, so actually you don’t have any evidence to back up your comment “the data that was falsified was the data that showed no relationship between sleep apnea and being overweight.” To you, that means that fat acceptance is bunk. I see. That makes so much sense. /sarcasm
FYI to the person worried about sleep apnea, the belief that fat causes sleep apnea is based on the work of Roger Fogel. His work was found by the NIH to be falsified. Google to find the NIH scientific misconduct findings. By the time the research came to light, Fogel was working for Merck (big pharma). From what I have heard, they still teach Fogel's findings in med school, even after having been proven false. Can't have science getting in the way of fat prejudice. Still MYOB, but good to know.
Question asked by loniemc
"…which means that pharmaceutical companies are behind many of the messages we receive about fat – an industry that has much to gain by the diet roller coaster."
Personally, I believe that the entire hype of the obesity epidemic came in some portion from the DMPI [Diet-Medical-Pharmaceutical Industry]. Of course, the American people took the bait and ran with it. Do I have proof? Not directly, no. I have not tracked down every article and every move behind the epidemic. However, each time I can trace the source of the messages, I find a pharmaceutical company in some way connected to the original message. We may not be able to find definitive proof, but we can look at the connections. What we do know is that the IOTF (International Obesity Task Force) is behind the change in definitions for overweight and obesity, which is the instigation of “the obesity epidemic.” We know Dietz, an anti-obesity crusader and employee of the CDC, is associated with IOTF. We also know the IOTF is funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies. These facts are pointed out in an article entitled “Obesity task force linked to WHO takes “millions” from drug firms.” The IOTF is behind a great deal of the research that is being used to justify the war on fat today which means that pharmaceutical companies are behind many of the messages we receive about fat – an industry that has much to gain by the diet roller coaster. Additionally, New York Times writer Duff Wilson says as many as eight members of the 19 member federal panel on obesity “are taking money in various forms from companies that could profit from their recommendations.”
~Lonie McMichael, Talking Fat
Let’s be clear on something. The fat kid’s problem isn’t being fat. It’s being HATED for being fat. It’s being targeted by everything from bullies and parents (perhaps unwittingly, because yeah, it was done to me and I was a fat kid) doing abusive things to him to get him thin to the First Lady spearheading a campaign that pushes forward the agenda to increase stigma against fat children by making sure they get labeled as being unhealthy right off the bat and assumed to be eating nothing but “junk food”.
And all the while, any thin kids who may be eating nothing but “junk food” are handwaved away, because if they’re thin they must be healthy and don’t need any nutritional intervention, right? Any fat kids who are actually getting only occasional meals and live in poverty and have dire food insecurity in their lives are assumed not even to exist or even told it might be good for them to miss meals because they’re fat."
"Appeals to fairness have proven surprisingly uncompelling to most people when it comes to fat rights."
The appeal to fairness and equity is of course logical. Most thoughtful people agree that discrimination just isn’t okay and should not be tolerated. However, appeals to fairness have proven surprisingly uncompelling to most people when it comes to fat rights. The main reason appears to be that most people believe that fatness is a personal choice, a result of poor lifestyle habits, and that individuals deserve to hold responsibility for their choice. After all, the argument goes, if fat people want to escape discrimination, they should just lose weight – and thinner people should not have to absorb the costs of someone else’s fatness, whether it’s about sitting in a cramped seat or the taxes incurred from health care costs. In effect, this attitude often justifies more discrimination, with the belief that the unfair treatment may motivate people to lose weight.
~Linda Bacon, co-author of Body Respect, at the 2009 NAAFA conference
Oh, btw, such discrimination is more likely to make someone fatter, not thinner (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.20891/abstract)
Have you ever read the diagnostic criteria for anorexia? "Used by the DSM-V as an indicator of the level of severity of anorexia nervosa. The DSM-V states these as follows: Mild: BMI of 17-17.99 Moderate: BMI of 16-16.99 Severe: BMI of 15-15.99 Extreme: BMI of less than 15" I fully acknowledge that people can have anorexic tendencies/ disordered eating habits and still be overweight (I myself have) but anorexia is classified as extreme weight loss. Please don't be encouraging obese people to
Question asked by thefunky--buddha
[continued - diagnose themselves with Anorexia. That’s so dangerous and so so insulting for people struggling or recovering from anorexia]
People forget that the DSM was created by PEOPLE through what they have constructed as a disease and is only a guideline to follow to get a diagnosis. It isn’t something that should be followed to the letter or used to exclude people, especially if you are considering that much of our medical knowledge is socially constructed. In our society we believe fat people shouldn’t be fat so they haven’t acknowledged that fat people can have an eating disorder let alone anorexia due to the belief fat people should lose weight no matter what.
The guidelines wouldn’t even fit MOST thin people who have anorexia as everyone doesn’t fall into the weight range needed for the diagnosis if someone were to follow the DSM completely. Also, the weight range the DSM mentions is only ONE part of many that form a diagnosis. People can die before they get to that weight range or lose their menses. The physical damage done to people’s bodies can happen at any stage, particularly damage to the heart when someone isn’t getting the right amount of calories or nutrients. That has NOTHING to do with the amount of subcutaneous fat someone has.
What’s insulting are people who need to call us “obese” and feel so threatened by fat people acknowledging they too have disordered eating and have the same symptoms as thin people who are anorexic. We’re not taking anything away from anyone else with that diagnosis except challenging the narratives and language around anorexia. The very use of the word “normal” when describing what weight range people should be in ”85% of normal” needs to be deconstructed. Who’s normal? Is it “normal” on a BMI chart? Is it normal based on the individual? I’m 250 pounds. If I lost 25% of my body weight by starving I would still be considered “obese” and doctors would look it over as a positive thing. Instead of what it actually was, a massive weight loss that would be categorized as anorexia if my body type was included in the construction of how things like the DSM give guidelines for a diagnosis.
So anyone who finds it insulting that people with mental and physical health problems are attempting to get their issues fixed needs to find something else to complain about. Everyone has the right to good medical care and to not have their problems be brushed off as positive. Doesn’t matter what weight they are.
Oh and to answer your original question, yes. I’ve not only read the DSM but I’ve taken graduate level coursework that deconstructs and challenges the very basis of how they diagnose conditions. The DSM is regularly challenged by researchers and doctors as it is only a guideline (and again is socially constructed).
#1. Never be seen eating in public.
#2. If you must eat, make sure it is uber-healthy yet tasteless. Never eat anything that is fattening, sweet, or tasty in any way.
#3. Exercise daily to the point of vomiting. This cannot be fun exercise like dancing or skating (who wants to see that!). It must be boring and miserable.
#4. Never be seen exercising in public; you must only exercise in your own home. We don’t want even the possibility of seeing a little fat jiggle. If you break this rule, we reserve the right to call you names and throw trash at you.
#5. You must be on a diet at all times. Preferably, you must be paying for it in some way. We need you to keep supporting the 104+ (Canada & the US) billion dollar diet industry. Yes, we know that you will only gain the weight back plus more. That is part of our plan!
#6. Take diet pills. They may give you a stroke or damage your heart, but you will lose 2-5% of your weight as long as you eat right and exercise as well. Of course, you will gain it back the minute you stop taking the drug.
#7. If a diet does not work, go have your stomach amputated or squeezed (weight loss surgery). You might die of complications. You will be 4x more likely to kill yourself than the rest of the population. If you don’t die, you will most likely have long-term complications and nutritional deficiencies that will reduce your quality of life significantly. You also have an excellent chance of becoming an alcoholic. Oh, and 80% of you will regain the weight.
#8. All your attention, your money, and your focus must be on the fruitless task of losing weight at all times. Nothing else matters. You should never have a life until you succeed at that, no matter that 95% of you will fail and that those who succeed where likely thin folks losing some weight they had gained.
#9. Wear dark, shapeless clothing for which you must pay outrageously. No bright colors or stylishness of any kind.
#10. Never wear anything that lets your flesh be seen. No sleeveless shirts, no shorts, and definitely NO BATHING SUITS!
#11. Never be seen having a good time with friends in public. We want to believe you are sitting home miserable. We certainly do not want to see you laugh.
#12. Never imagine that someone could want you romantically. Love is not for the likes of you. If you do get into a relationship and they happen to be abusive, suck it up and be happy someone bothers to interact with you in any way.
#13. If you break rule #12 and end up in a relationship, never show affection in public. This is especially true if your SO is fat.
#14. If you have children, they must eat perfectly. If they are fat also, we may come take them away.
#15. If you are a fat woman and you get raped, be glad for the attention.
#16. Work daily to blend into the shadows. Never remind us that you are there. We don’t want to see you.
#17. Never expect to have friends. If you do have friends and are female, accept that they might keep you around to make them look good. If you are male, make them laugh, fatty.
#18. Either be very quiet or jolly. Never, ever let us see you angry or upset. Take how we treat you and stuff it.
#19. Never pursue a higher education. If you break this rule and do, don’t you dare complain about accommodations. So what if you class does not have a desk that fits you?
#20. Never pursue a professional career. We don’t want to see the likes of you in our courtrooms or our offices. You won’t be able to find fashionable professional clothes anyway.
#21. Never complain when you are denied a job because of your looks.
#22. If we deign to employ you, never expect to receive the same pay as your coworkers; just be happy that we gave you a job.
#23. Never expect to get a promotion. We could not reward a fat person for anything.
#24. Go to the doctor often. The doctor will tell you that anything wrong with you could be fixed by losing weight. Never complain or speak up in response. Pay your money, hang your head in shame and get out.
#25. Never tell a thin person that thin shaming and fat oppression are different. Never point out that thin shaming is part of the hatred of fat. Never note that thin shaming is calling people names while fat oppression leads to lack of health care options, lack of job options and lack of acceptance in society.
#26. Never tell feminists or diversity advocates that fat belongs as a protected condition. You should not be protected, because you could change it if you really wanted to, fatty.
#27. Never be an academic that focuses on fat studies. We won’t publish your work, even if it is rigorous and well-written. We will keep you from tenure-track jobs. If you do land one of those, we just might deny you tenure.
#28. Never succeed at anything. If you do, we will point out that it doesn’t really count since you are still fat.
#29. Never stand up, stand out or speak up in any way. This would be glorifying obesity. We can’t have that.
#30. Whatever you do, NEVER become a fat activist and point out that society treats fat people unfairly. How dare you question our abuse and oppression of you!